Before there was Bob Kulick, ghosting on KISS records as "Ace Frehley," there was Dick Wagner, who had by 1976 a long
association with producer Bob Ezrin, most notably due to his session work, and later as a band member, with Alice Cooper.
However, Dick's musical history went much further than the musical footnotes of his session work with the likes of KISS
and Aerosmith, but to dig into that would be beyond the scope of this Q&A! The KISSFAQ thanks Dick for being willing to
take the time to answer some questions!
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1) "Destroyer". Do you recall at what point Bob Ezrin brought you into the sessions? There seems to have been two main
separate recording sessions (late-75, and then Jan. 76) where the recording was done.
It was winter and I was living at the Plaza Hotel when Bob asked me to come over to the studio and play a little guitar
for a KISS record. I was thrilled to be part of it, but as to exactly when it happened, all I remember is it was cold
outside and I froze my ass trying to catch a cab downtown.
2) Do you recall how Bob got you involved and how he suggested that you were needed in the studio?
Bob liked my solo work and he suggested I was the guy he wanted for certain solo sections on a couple songs... So I did
my best to make everyone happy.
3) "Flaming Youth". You play guitar on this song, but do you recall whether Ace had any lead on the song or did you simply
do punch-ins to finish the piece.
I don't think Ace had any of that solo... I did it as an overdub after the tracks had been cut.
4) "Sweet Pain". Ace has commented that he had already recorded a solo for the song, so what led to you doing guitar work
on the song and is the solo in fact yours?
Sweet Pain is in fact my solo…what happened to Ace's solo I have no idea.
5) "Beth". I've never heard any guitars on the Destroyer album version of the song (though that doesn't mean that they're
not there!). You've made comments that you played on Beth - does this mean that you are the guitarist on the acoustic
version of the song which KISS used on the Phantom movie? If so, what can you recall about recording this song?
I recall playing acoustic guitar on Beth, the album version. Listen closely... you will hear it. I'm surprised you haven't
before.
6) You did your work on "Destroyer" quickly, do you recall who was in the studio when you were doing your work? Was
there any direction, to play similar to Ace, and how easily did your work come together? Was there any question of
multiple takes, where efforts didn't sound like "KISS."
I work quickly. In the studio, Ezrin and I forget who else. I only play like I play and would never try to sound like Ace
or anyone else. I just go for the feel and the mood of the song.
7) Would you care to rate Ace Frehley as a guitarist?
Ace is a very good guitarist and I thank him for the opportunity to be a part of their history.
8) Bob Ezrin brought you back into the studio to do work on KISS' "Revenge" album. How did that come about?
I happened to be in Los Angeles at the time they were recording and Paul suggested I play on a track.
9) You played the solo on "Every Time I Look At You." Did you make any other contributions to the album?
I offered to go for coffee but I was overruled.
10) You and Alan Schwartzberg have been uncreditted players for more KISS members than anyone else. How do you view
the necessity of session players in a band's studio recording effort?
Sometimes very necessary…not all band players are great studio players at all times.
11) Since you played on both Destroyer and Revenge, it's worth asking whether Bob involved you on the other KISS
album he produced: "The Elder" (1981). Ace wasn't actively participating in the recording of the album fully...
No other albums I am sorry to say. I loved the band and Mr.Ezrin as well but I was not needed again.
12) You've done a lot of session work, from this context, Aerosmith and KISS are the most notable. How much did you know
about KISS prior to becoming involved in their recordings?
I was aware of them... Who wasn't!... But I wasn't a follower or anything like that.
13) How do you rate KISS as a band?
I rate them as one of the great rock bands/rock shows of the 20th.
Many thanks for taking the time to read, and hopefully answer this!
Thanks Julian for asking me to participate